Elizabeth Day meets Dr. Joe Marler having built a long career of her own out of understanding other people. As the host of How To Fail, and an author fascinated by what lies beneath the surface, she seems like the perfect person for Joe to analyse.

Joe sets out to investigate Elizabeth’s love of reality TV, celebrity gossip and people-watching, and whether all of it points to something deeper. But as the conversation turns to imposter syndrome, introversion and the feeling of never quite fitting in, the session becomes unexpectedly-revealing for both doctor and client.

Along the way, Elizabeth explains why she’d thrive on The Traitors, shares some hot celebrity gossip and helps Joe confront a few feelings he definitely wasn’t expecting to discuss.